posted by fyst20 at Feb 27, 2012 8:21 PM
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An example Fit that i produced;http://s14.postimage.org/732yhi5yp/untitled.jpganswering one part of the last question.
posted by fyst20 at Feb 27, 2012 6:43 PM
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Hi
From the core spectra has anyone manage to work out the S so that we can find delta r. We dont know whether to iust use intensity or do something with the area. Also for the valence spectra, have u plotted individual peaks or just made one voight peak cover each group of peaks ie the different states?
posted by Erik at Feb 27, 2012 5:09 PM
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Thanks Anders (and indirectly Aaron) for answering Lleahs question, I forgot to look at this forum for a while…
I could add that omega can be found even simpler if assuming harmonic oscillator (then all peak-spacings are approximated as equal), and might even be marginally more correct for (delta)r since the formulas for S and (delta)r were derived in the harmonic model. (I don't care if you use anharmonic omega_0 also here.)As for Felix's question, I'm sorry that I don't know which face belongs to which name. If you have talked to me today, we'll leave it at that, otherwise send an e-mail or come tomorrow. You will need x_0, area, Gamma_Gaussian and Gamma_Lorentzian.
posted by fyst20 at Feb 26, 2012 5:31 PM
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I have a problem with fitting the voigt function to the peaks. The parameters I use is x0 and Gamma, but these are apparently not sufficient. Any suggestions for parameters?//Felix
posted by fyst20 at Feb 24, 2012 11:11 AM
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Hi Lleah,The omega that goes into Equation (2) is the vibrational frequency (or wavenumber of vibration, whatever you want to call it) of the excited/ionized state. You can find it from your fit to the data, because you know that the distance in energy between two peaks is hbar*omega - 2*hbar*omegax where omegax is the anharmonic correction. See Section 2.2 in Stacey's compendium.As for the sign of dr, I subscribe to Aaron's motivation. When you bring the two atoms in the molecule closer together, you expect the potential to become steeper (intuitively, it should become infinitely steep in the limit r -> 0). The "steepness" is proportional to the force constant k, which is in turn proportional to omega. So if the atoms go closer together, omega should increase wrt the ground state and vice versa.//
Anders
posted by fyst20 at Feb 22, 2012 10:23 PM
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Hey,
I just want to check some reasoning for question 4.So to find (delta)r, im hoping that it is safe to say, that from a spectra which plots intensity against the energy difference between the ground and ionised state, we can work out S when n(ionised state)=0. From this we get delta and if we know mu and omega we can work out (delta r).But do we definitely take it that we know omega, from the fact that it is said we know the vibration frequency of the molecule in the gound state? ie do we assume that omega corresponds to the ground state frequency.
And also what do people think on the question about whether or not you can determine if it is positive or negative? My thinking was that if delta is squared and if S is always positive ( because of the position of the potentials along the x axis) then it wouldn't be possible to have a negative value?Lleah
posted by Erik at Feb 17, 2012 5:33 PM
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I have updated the instructions to better explain and name the Franck-Condon stuff, in line with my "Lecture errata" below and give better references. Doesn't change any task.
posted by Erik at Feb 16, 2012 9:20 PM
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I never defined the alpha used in the vibrational wavefunctions. It is not the same as the alpha (for the Morse potential) you have in the project instructions.
Near the end of the physics part of the lecture I mentioned some confusion about notation S or I for the Franck-Condon factor. There is some naming confusion also in the litterature, where S can have different meanings:
- For the harmonic oscillator alpha was simple a convenient short-hand for sqrt( reduced_mass * omega / hbar), not an independent parameter.
- For the Morse potential, I would say alpha and x_e are two ways to express the anharmonicity, related via equation (6).
- In both cases alpha has the dimension 1/length, but there is an extra factor in the Morse-alpha that makes it much smaller.
Near the end of the physics part of the lecture I mentioned some confusion about notation S or I for the Franck-Condon factor. There is some naming confusion also in the litterature, where S can have different meanings:
- On the lecture I used it (as P. Atkins does) for the overlap integral <final vibration n|initial vibration 0>=<n|0>, which should be squared to get a relative transition intensity I(n<-0) = |<n|0>|^2.
We used the vibrational wavefunctions for specific vibrational quantum number n and the change Delta r in bond length to express I (which was some 80% for n=0 in N2 valence photoemission) - In the project instructions (and most litterature, e.g. Cederbaum,Smedh,Mishima,Karabunarliev,Pullerits) S has a different meaning, more closely related to the change in bond length Delta r, given by equations (9)-(10) in the instructions. This S is not dependent on vibrational quantum number, instead the relation (eq. 7) I(n<-0)= S^n exp(-S) / n! is used to get the relative intensity. The benefit of this approximation is that it works for any final vibrational quantum number, n, and is much simpler than evaluating overlap between vibrational wavefunctions. This S is called the Huang-Rhys factor or sometimes poissonian parameter.
